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captioned by the national captioning institute >> hello, i'm llewellyn king, the host of "white house chronicle," which is coming right up. but first, if you thought of my own. first, there is a bogyman around washington. european style socialism, and it is coming to get us. there are a lot of people who say you want european-style socialism, which causes me to wonder and tremble -- it is it going to be like england? germany? france? the most insidious thing is to build europe's government system
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and to some big threat to the united states. 27 nations in the european union alone is like any other part of the world. some things are better than others, some work better than others. some things are a threat to the way we do things here if we were to adopt them, and there is not much chance of that. they would feel the way we do things a threat to the way they do things. the differences -- rather than being in a bunker worrying about the dreadful socialism coming across the atlantic, we should really just look and see what works better and incorporate it. we always have done, even the language we speak here, coming from over there. actually, two languages spoken here come from over there. let's take a look at other countries, let's see what works, and improve them if necessary.
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we do not have to turn into them. one of the things that we might look at -- we might look at the public transportation. we might look at their health care systems to see how they are managed. we might look at some of the social structures, and we might reject quite a lot of it. and they might look at us and a my love our freedom. they might love the mobility of our labour, the possibility of starting a business easily, which is not easy in europe. i have done it. it is not easy. these are the ways that we could come together beneficially and stop this sense of shock, horror, and down the hatches, something awful was coming. what they would not like, and i am sure of this, is they would be very concerned about the freedom of governance and the health-care system. these are big points of
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difference, no accommodation, possibly, at least to many people. but it is not the end of the world, which is why so many of us like to take our vacations in europe. increasingly, europeans love to come here because it is cheap, it is interesting, fascinating. it still is the big house. somebody asked me, why did i move to america? i said i wanted to see what life was life in a mansion. i have a wonderful program for you today. we are going to talk about some of these great issues -- about the future of all of us in a cosmic kind of way, rather than this politician said that and that person on radio said something else, etc., etc. we will be back with a stunning program, i promise. >> "white house chronicle" is produced in collaboration with whut, howard university television. and now your program host, nationally syndicated columnist llewellyn king, and co-host linda gasparello.
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>> hello again, and thank you so much for joining us. i'm glad to have on this program, as always, linda gasparello of this program, and with us, the great journalist, my enormous friend and interesting man who originated in europe, though he is an american icon in journalism and other things, arnaud de borchgrave, who writes for the united press international, "the washington times," and was a great correspondent is internationally for " newsweek," alas, once itself a great news publication
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and now in disrepair. and brian keane of "the huffington post." welcome to the program once again, brian. and jamie weinstein, now with "the daily caller," now totally on the web, isn't it? >> yes, >> we may be in one of those moments after which things may not be the same previously. seminal might be the word. we have this idea that as soon as we fix the economy things will be as they were, but things will not be as they were. there will be enormous changes. not by politicians, but political ideas, but technology. if you look at the start of the industrial revolution, the incoming engine, followed by
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improvements to the engine, started the industrial revolution. in the enormous state of invention and enormous social change. the beginning of urbanization. the internet in our time has changed everything. it has changed -- sorry -- >> morse code. >> it has changed everything. publications are dying, and the skills that i once had workethae ful, now we are in a new time. the future is going to be different, and we also have two enormous national players coming along, china and india. a fascination, both of them co, because these are enormously talented continents, a subcontinent.
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this is a talent, and yet throughout history that talent has not been seen. when i first went to vietnam, talking about asia in general, and i took into the hotel, the coat hanger. i thought these people are so gifted. how did the french overlook this? how did the americans overlook the talent? in china, that is especially true. in india, where the british were, they did not want people to be good at things. they wanted to make raw materials, for manufacturing, particularly cotton, etc.. arnaud, where are we going in this world. >> i have learned in 62 years in the business that international prognostication has made us look respectable. i do not have any clue where we are going. i have seen headlines about the
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new dawn in the middle east that was apparently in washington for the past three days, in the middle east being treated as a new dawn. nobody really sees a new change except for some camera work at the white house. >> everything is not progress. for example, we have seen the reappearance of religion and politics globally. not just here in america, but globally. we did not have, throughout the century, very little reference to god in daily political -- god bless you, all these things that are now political staples. the last great god-talking politician was the british prime minister gladstone, who was lecturing prostitutes about the evil of their ways. "time"y, in the 1950's, magazine had a cover that said,
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"is god dead?" not just referring to the west bank in the middle east as judea and samaria. also, hindi fundamentalism. what is happening, linda? >> it is seen as the the lighters rather than the unite years. i will fight you because your god is not the same thing as mine. we are seeing a dangerous lincoln politics i think between god and politics -- a dangerous link in politics i think between god and politics. the founding fathers -- it was an idea that warren harding came up with. when we talk about the founding fathers, many of them were deists many of them were anti-
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clerical. many of them did not see want to see this insertion of god and politics. it has not been a force for the good. >> i think i'm going to push back a little bit on this bridge sure, radical islam and radical fundamentalism are a danger. but the 20 century was a century of carnage and bloodshed in the by atheistic regime's. >> is it anything different except in scale from the 14th century, the 15th and 16th centuries? >> absolutely. >> if not scale, what is there? >> you have a much larger population, and you have technology. our old friend technology enabling this massive slaughter. it is very hard to kill a lot of people with a spear. the physical labor -- remember that rodega said when they killed 3500 irishmen, they said
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they were a stubble before our swords. killing all those people with a broadsword. go ahead, i am interested. >> i am saying that having religious forces in this century does not necessarily bode ill. certainly, it can do a lot better perhaps than the previous century, which we have seen hundreds of millions of people die at the hands of nazism. >> what we are living through now is social upheaval, and it has crossed the board but it is across the board in terms of race relations, gender equality. we are talking about gay marriage in this country and nobody is laughing. we are going a different way in this country. 20 years from now is going to be the big issue. we were down in charleston, south carolina, with my kids. you go to the old slave market, and it is astounding to tell your 5-year-old that her great, great, great grandfather was a
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slave. she cannot comprehend that. >> i think we are moving toward an era of robotic warfare with fewer and fewer casualties. or by remote control is coming without any question. you have seen the beginning of this with the drone strikes. >> i agree with you, but if you apply that technology, the predator and the other one, to civilian populations, you increase the devastation. and you have empowered very small groups. it is not very hard to turn it into a drug. if you have the machine for this, -- into a drone. if you have the machine for this. >> the human brain would have
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reached parity with a supercomputer. now we have blue-green project at george mason university taking it very seriously. we're 20 years away from something that we will not be able to begin to comprehend today. >> i would like to remind our listeners on sirius xm radio, channels 110 and 130, you are listening to "white house chronicle" with myself, llewellyn king and linda gasparello. our guests are arnaud de borchgrave with upi, jamie weinstein with "the daily caller." and brian keane of "the huffington post." >> all the things we talked about today will be considered utterly irrelevant 20 years from now. just as you look at the beginning of my century, what we
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forecast in 2005 was ludicrous because the great wall was just a few years away. >> i am very interested in this idea, and i know you might want to address this and everyone else. the idea is that the -- the american dream was to manage history. are we going to be able to manage history in the future? we saw president bush trying to manage history by invading iraq. we saw where that went third, first. >> i do not think the coming generation is going to put up with too many afghanistans and to many in iraqs. >> jamie, you are the and best of us. as arnaud, has pointed out, i will not be here when all this happens. he will because of a particular
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preservative. >> i will be living in this post american world, but if you look at china and india and america and say what century will this be? i think a lot has been played in china. i think that is a wrong assumption. if you look at the advantages of america, and what it has too often not done, and the disadvantage of china, america has the best chance to make this our century once again. so i am optimistic. >> you are also suggesting that democratic or parliamentary democracy is perhaps something that will not change, will stay with us, is the final stage in human evolution? >> i am not going to discount what you said about history and intervening. a lot of countries are choosing to adopt our model still, and i think it is still the most attractive model. until someone comes up with a better one.
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>> the democracies, the liberal democracies -- western europe, maybe japan, i am not so sure about that. >> iraq is proving it is not too easy. >> one of the things that i find very interesting is the ease, in , with which britain showed its empire. they gave us some strange things -- barnaby street, the beatles, the rolling stones. they walked out in india, somewhere between 1 million and 3 million people died. but no one in london was terribly changed, and then they went into a period of quite remarkable prosperity for a small island. >> wait a minute, london was terribly changed because what you got were immigrants that came to britain as a result of that.
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>> but i do not think they changed -- they may have changed the appearance of london, but they did not change the nature of the british people. they may in time. >> whoever controls history will control the biggest changes that our world is facing. it will be energy, communication. the u.s. is well positioned to meet on all of those, but we have to get ahead of the curve on all of them. >> invention -- we changed the world with american inventions. at the patent office, more inventions than anywhere on earth. starting back words, the thermometer that enabled the royal navy to have accurate navigation, coupled with the steam engine, cleaning out coal mines. >> one in every pocket. >> this launched the industrial revolution, which was almost an
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entirely british thing, and then was brought on in america. it is an american thing that has changed the whole world. some of the problems of disloyal immigrants, finding it so easy to go home again and pull out your cell phone and talk to the village where your grandfather came from. >> it seems to me if you were watching al jazeera, you may find 20 stores every day you cannot find on american television. -- 20 stories everyday that you cannot find an american television. that includes pbs and the best things that we have. >> and we do not know which one -- >> wow, now we can see those stories. >> al jazeera in english is very good. linda is the only arabic speaker. >> i think you're one point is well taken care not only as
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america well-positioned in the way that you are speaking, but the universities are the best in a row. seven of the top 10 are american universities. we are meeting in nanotechnology, biotechnology. if we unleash our entrepreneur real forces -- >> high school dropouts. >> if you look at the testing scores, singapore usually wiped the floor of the united states. that is quite a disparity. when you look at the low income neighborhoods, the test scores are very low. but when you look at the better off neighborhoods, the test scores are on the level. i think we are going to have to learn as a nation to be one of several, that we cannot ship history, that we will not always be out in front on everything. that does not matter. >> a few million gated communities? >> i am not sure. >> i really think we are on the
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cusp. if we can control the trends of the future and continue to lead in energy, we can leading communication. >> we are losing in energy in many ways. we have, you know -- we do not have the domestic resources in oil. nuclear technology, the great long-term hope is largely gone overseas. we cannot even build machines. we do not have the capacity anymore. the two principal lenders are owned by japan and france. we have lost a lot in the last 20 years in many ways, and a lot of the solar technologies are in europe and asia. >> let me just this to a factor. when you're looking at long-term trends, you see birthrates in china and in europe -- china has a one-child policy. they will be old before they become rich. europe has birthrates of a very
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low and they will not be able to sustain the welfare state. america has a model of immigrants that will not allow us to booze but continued to grow. -- will not allow us to lose but continues to grow. >> they are attractive to stability and wealth, and sometimes just something that is better. one of the large problems of illegal immigrants is from my native country, zimbabwe, into south africa. there is little in south africa that might -- another is immigrants from central america into venezuela, and who would think of that? there is not much for them there. >> this is quite simply an optimistic experience. it seems to me that you're looking at this very rosy future with more afghanistans
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and more in iraqs, or would you -- us >> i think global energy is in the united states? to the because japan may be making our solar cells that -- >> i think, brian -- >> will you go along with that? >> said that again. >> the future also includes a number of iraqs and afghanistans with 100,000 or 200,000 american soldiers. >> i do not necessarily agree that. >> i am asking if you agree with that being part of the future. >> of course. we are in afghanistan and iraq. combat troops are home, but we still have a few thousand there. >> i think if you're of looking at a superpower, super has to
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project a force worldwide. the united states is the only one at this point that can do it on a global scale. china is building -- >> china is about to dominate the south china sea, which is very important. this shows an imperial instinct -- now a dominant force in 48 of 53 african countries. >> this is getting back to the idea of it was our dream postwar to manage history. we do not have the resources to do that. a lot of that is american hubris, and i think we take a great beating in iraq with that kind of intervention. >> i hope that you guys are right. this aspiration to manage history -- when we gained to
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manage history, that was not the aspiration, that was something that happened, as it was for the brits and the dutch and the spanish. the management of history, this is a retrospective and prospective idea. when you make a prospective idea, you're likely to engage in all sorts of military adventure. to understand the future, you need to look at the history of technology. but can you control a andnationalized maintained a secret technology? it for yearsdid in i until somebody sneaked a man into this country for six -- for six months and is hand softened up and he did not have calluses. nowadays, he goes at the speed of summer lightning. >> i would say that we have a
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manufacturing issue in this country still, and that this kind of still one of our issues. but the internet boom of the 1990's was not about manufacturing, it was about ideas. that is what we can regenerate and that is where we will continue to lead. >> it is time for our high points and low points. linda gasparello? >> since we were talking about innovation and industry and manufacturing, my high point is the justice department challenge to the stem cell decision in the federal courts >> ok. arnaud de borchgrave. >> the bad news is the released as seen from the middle east. >> sir? >> i think the high point would be the 67,000 private sector new jobs created. >> looking long-term, i am going
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to see the high point is what i have been making throughout the show, is that i believe in less intervenes, itry will be another american century. >> we tend to worry too much about overseas countries. remember we worry that the japanese were coming, the japanese were coming. some idiot in japan said america will be our factory. the next thing -- i am not so sure of that. there is a lot of creativity there. they let you out. no, europe was not a museum. it was very creative in the arts. a lot of engineering. less so, france has always been very creative. >> written in biotech, in medicine. >> and the brits have been -- britain, in biotech and in medicine. >> and the brits have always been very good at coming to
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america, which is not a bad thing. >> and my people, the italians. >> where would new jersey be without you? >> we should say something about the irish, then, to. >> every year, linda and i do a think tank in ireland. that our program for today. we are so glad you came along. we should mention that it is a wonderful thing to live in the times that we live in. more people on earth live better than people that ever lived on the earth. these are the times of possibility and excitement and change. you can view this program at all the best. cheers.
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